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Please show me this Hillary nutcracker of which you speak.

while i totally agree with your analysis of how self-important and self-righteous some vegetarians can be, i'm not sure if eating meat makes one more aware of death. maybe if you go out and cut the cow's throat yourself, possibly. but even then, i don't know: what does it even mean to be aware of death?

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I don't think eating meat per se makes you more aware of death, not at all. In fact, I often find meat-eaters who are against hunting and want slaughterhouses and the things that go on there to be hidden from view to be hypocritical, because they are essentially engaging in the eating that the killing permits but with a refusal to admit it. At least vegetarians (usually) acknowledge the killing instead of trying to hide it or cover it up with nice, shiny plastic wrap. And I don't think that it is only through killing our own meat that we can come to terms with death. My Heidegger professor used to talk about "parrying with your angst," and if you've ever read Don DeLillo, you might have an idea of what that looks like--or Philip Roth, for that matter.

I think the point of what I said about hunting, which applies to most farmers who kill their own livestock, too, is that you just recognize the cycle. This animal has to die so that other animals can live. And I have to die to make room for other humans. Don't misunderstand--I don't actively want to die. But part of what I see when I look at my son is the necessity of my own death, because his kids will need the space and resources that I've been taking up, and I will gladly give it to them. This is what I think is at the heart of the problem of the parents who live vicariously through their children--they want that immortality and eternal youth--but this is fundamentally wrong. Children deserve their own lives and to be their own selves. My job and goal as a parent is to prepare my son to live and then let him do it. It would be nice if he also enjoyed my company and whatnot, but that's really all incidental.

I've been a veggie for 8 years and I read The Omnivore's Dilemma and loved it. I don't have problems with people eating meat, as long as they think about what they're doing and what they're buying (i.e., meat does NOT come from styrofoam 4-packs. It came from a living, breathing animal). I also don't have problems with people who raise their own animals for meat; I LOVE the concept behind Joel Salatin's farm, and I know his chickens have lived a wonderful life in their 12 short weeks, as compared to the battery hens who live 2 years in a cage with five other hens.

I thought Pollan was very brave and honest about killing his food. I love that he admitted to his conflict, and showed us what it was like inside his head when he went through the process. I also respect him for being willing to do what most meat-eaters refuse to do. People like my mother and my husband, who can't bear to watch a hawk nail a mourning dove (my mother once chased a hawk off in a parking lot after it got a dove) or watch the dogs catch a chipmunk in the yard, but who belly up for hot wings or chicken teriyaki or filet mignon. These are the same people who admit that they could never kill an animal, but continue to purchase 4-packs of chicken breast and 3 lbs. of ground beef at the grocery store every week. I find that kind of moral separation repugnant.

I hear you. I find that somewhat repugnant, too, and I hear it all the time. There are A LOT of meat eaters who think hunting is "barbaric." I think it's barbaric to refuse to admit what you're doing when you eat meat. I always feel crappy when I buy meat at the grocery store--if we don't have meat we hunted, we try to buy from local farmers who we know cared for the animals.

I hope I made it clear that I know all vegetarians are not like that guy. My mom certainly isn't--she lives with my dad, who hunts. She has had dead deers hanging in her yard, and she hasn't liked it, but she's respected that he has thought carefully about what he's doing.

Also, in fairness, I know not all hunters are like me. But a growing number are very conscious about it, especially now with the rise of "Fair Chase" ethics. I think especially with the various threats facing wildlife and the forests, hunters as a group have grown very conscious about our role in the food chain, and I'm glad.

But at least when you're buying meat from the grocery store, you're thinking about it. You know where it came from. Most people don't think or even care, and that's the difference.

I'll admit I've never understood hunting...to each his own, I guess. I don't understand what the thrill is in stalking a helpless, grass-eating animal and then killing it. I just don't. My husband went hunting once and shot a rabbit, and never went again because it affected him so much. BUT, he continues to eat meat. *sigh*

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