The Ugly Aftermath
I'm even more sick of postelection election analysis than I was of the goddamned campaign.
A majority of whites voted, as they have for a long time, Republican. A majority of minorities voted Democrat, which, along with the white votes Obama did win, was enough for 52% of the popular vote. Why is it that so many people comment on the Republican tilt of white voting with disfavor, like "Oh, those whites, they just can't see past the party line" but not when it's African-Americans or Hispanics (Hispanics as a group are not as solidly blue as African-Americans, of course, in part because there are so many complications to grouping all those nationalities and histories under one sorry label)? African-Americans continue to vote Democrat despite the fact that there is evidence that they are more socially conservative as a group than whites (Hispanics, for what it's worth, generally are, too). Democrats seem all excited by Democratic wins in the West, but Governor Brian Schweitzer of Montana and Rep. Barney Frank have virtually nothing in common as far as I can tell. If Obama gets too liberal, African-Americans may not cut him off, but Hispanics just might. It's hard to say--possibly the generation that is born in the US and growing up here will turn out more liberal than their parents. All I'm saying is, why do people comment on white voting patterns like it's horrible to vote more for one party than the other, but not say the same thing about other ethnic groups. I mean, basically I know the answer, and it's twofold. One, most of the people saying that are Democrats, so it worries them more when whites, who are for now still a majority, don't vote Democrat. And two, it just isn't done, is it?
And another thing: SHUTUP ABOUT SARAH PALIN'S CLOTHES. For Christ's sake. Let's talk about how much the Obamas spent on their clothes, hey--or just how much they spent, period. That worries me far more than the vague and totally unproven notion that we might have been in danger of getting ourselves a Vice-President who likes to shop and look good. And PLEASE you fucking hypocritical jackasses who have suggested that if she was running as a woman of the people, she should have just kept dressing the way she dressed in Alaska. Right. I can see how that would have made you snigger and snark daily, making fun of her clothes. Instead, since the RNC dressed her up, you snark instead about how much the RNC spent to do it. I actually read one piece that suggested that she could have made do with just a few pairs of pants, a couple of jackets. Yeah, because she wasn't being photographed or appearing in public in contexts where appearance counts for a lot on an almost daily basis. And of course the press would never have commented in snarky tones about how she just keeps wearing the same pants every day. Sure.
Which brings me to another point: We don't think you're sexist for questioning Palin's qualifications. There were legitimate questions there. We think you're sexist for harping on "how's she going to raise her kids and be president?" Yeah, I don't hear you asking that about a man named Barack. We think you're hypocrites for balking LOUDLY every time someone mentioned Hillary's pantsuits and then spending weeks--but WEEKS--talking about the RNC's budget for Palin's wardrobe. Yes, absolutely it's also hypocritical of the Republicans to call you out on this one, since the Republicans denied it was sexist when it was done to Hillary (and I'm not so sure either case is sexist--politicians' clothes and styles get talked about. Remember when Al Gore changed to "earth tone" suits in his 2000 campaign and how we had to hear about it for days? Remember Edwards's haircut?), but for cryin out loud, take the high road for a change. We also think you're sexist for repeatedly making comments, overtly sexual comments, about Palin. Perhaps my favorite was when one writer called her an "ideological lap dancer." Right. I'm sure you couldn't find a less overtly sexual and dehumanizing way to put it. Good job. Now anyone who doesn't agree with you is a pole dancer. Why not just call her a slut and get it over with? I also liked all the people who referred to her as a "Stepford Wife" when, in fact, every indication is that she is far from it. We think you're sexist because it was pretty clear from the first moment that she entered the campaign that you weren't going to be happy with any woman candidate who wasn't from the blue side. That has been the clear implication of most of what has been written about her from the beginning.
(What I think now that so much dirt is coming out of those quarters is that McCain and Palin were badly advised by their campaign managers. The country already knew who McCain was and many independents and moderates liked him a lot, so instead his managers decided to get him to appeal to the far right "base" and alienate the voters who already liked him. Palin is more moderate on some issues than we were led to believe and is quite knowledgeable about others, especially energy policy, not that you would know it from the way she was handled. Looking back on the Katie Couric interview now, for one thing, I wonder how much of that was that she didn't know what she was supposed to say. I'm not saying that McCain and Palin don't share the blame for going along with what was clearly a losing scheme. I just don't buy the crap that I'm supposed to believe about Palin--not at all. She is neither as far right nor as stupid as we were led to believe. Some of the blame also goes to media bias and sexism, too, in my mind. And, no, I didn't vote for McCain.)
Also, can you let it go that Palin hunts? A lot of us do. The numbers of women hunters are actually increasing and will continue to increase as it gets harder to afford food for your family and especially to afford meat that one might consider safe. The moose in Palin's chili had no antibiotics given to it at all, ever. It had no growth hormones. It lived free range for its entire life in its natural habitat and was responsible for no pollution. More than that, it was probably killed within Palin's local foodshed, making her and most hunters, locavores (it's hard to be a locavore in Alaska--it would be totally impossible if you didn't eat meat or fish). This is a big reason why white people don't vote for you, because of the obvious and extreme anti-hunting prejudice that is usually based on nothing related to fact. Of course, the reality is that without hunters, Fish & Wildlife Departments would be hurting badly and there would be no money to save the boulder darter or whatever other endangered creature you want to save. In a lot of the West, Hispanics hunt, too, so I'd be careful on that one if I were a Democrat.
I notice now that Californians are shifting blame for passing Prop 8 from African-Americans--because that is clearly very sensitive territory--to Mormons. Apparently what the Mormons did wrong is contribute money to the Yes on 8 committee. I mean, it's clear that Mormons as a group don't support gay marriage, but it's also clear to me that Mormons do not actually constitute a large enough voting bloc in California to be directly responsible for this. Jeffrey Toobin rightly pointed out that some blacks are getting irritated that gays keep trying to make it seem as if the situations of these two minority groups is really comparable. I'm white, and it's starting to bug me, too, frankly, because while there are some similarities, I would say that the differences are far greater. The situations faced by the gay community and by Hispanics also aren't morally equivalent, and if I were Hispanic I'd also be getting a little annoyed at this comparison.
Back to the Mormons. So, what they did was donate money to run ads that gay activists then found objectionable because they were ads encouraging voters to vote for Prop 8. I hate to be a dick here, but that's our democracy (such as it is) in action. That's kind of how it works. I can't see that they did anything wrong. I don't agree with their beliefs, but, as they say, I would defend to the death their right to believe them and to speak them. If you really want to tell me that the Mormon church somehow brainwashed voters into voting for something they didn't agree with, then you are way more cynical about people than even I am.
Now back to the gays. I have heard two alarming things from gay-activist quarters (including but not limited to Dan Savage). One is that you cannot be against gay marriage without also being homophobic. This is presented as a tautology with no argumentation or evidence that I've ever seen. But, in fact, as I have argued in the past and will continue to argue, there is substantial evidence that you can be against gay marriage without also being homophobic and/or a bigot or whatever. For many people who voted for Prop 8, the crux of the matter was not whether or not gays should enjoy equal civil rights but the word "marriage" which, like it or not, is still tied to religion in the minds of very many people. I read many interviews with people who said that it's just the word "marriage" that made their vote go that way. The Court doesn't make a formal distinction between civil marriage and religious marriage, but voters do. Eventually, particularly in California, religion will probably die out and there won't be that objection. Until then, that would seem to be the major hangup here.
The second alarming thing I've heard is that passing Prop 8 represents a return to persecution and oppression of gays. Uhhh...I don't know where they're getting this at all. Domestic partnerships, which as far as I can tell allow for the same legal rights and responsibilities as heterosexual marriage, remain legal in California. California did not go back in time to reinstate laws that forbid homosexual sex or, certainly, to allow discrimination in the workplace of gays. Nothing like that. As a group (and admittedly, this may have more to do with sample sizes than anything else), gays make more money than non-gays. Nowhere except in the military (um, and maybe Idaho...and Arkansas...but I'm talking about California here) are gays asked or expected to hide their sexuality the way they once were expected to. So, in California, despite the fact that for all intents and purposes, they enjoy the same legal status, rights, and benefits as anyone else, how the fuck are they persecuted and oppressed? I understand that simply being a minority can lead to attempts to "normalize" oneself that can be psychologically difficult or even damaging, but I don't see that any act of law can change that.
Me, I would have voted against Prop 8, but it gets under my skin when the essence of the complaint here--as far as legality goes and what was voted on--is that gays are prevented, formally, from using the word "marriage" to describe their relationship (informally, of course, everyone is free to use it). If I'm reading the domestic partnership law correctly, then there are not any significant rights or benefits being withheld. Just a word. Yeah, I would have voted against it, but this is a far, far cry from being oppressed or persecuted or somehow akin to groups of people who weren't even allowed to use the same water fountains as white people do until 45 years ago. It's a bit different.
And finally. I just read something Obama said that really bothers me. Apparently he said it a while ago, but I missed it. He said, "As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right." This might seem OK to you when applied to the Second Amendment. But think about the implications of this in terms of other amendments. State and local governments used to constrain the exercise of the right to vote, for example, by instituting literacy tests and poll taxes and so forth. That clearly wasn't OK. Or how about the right of free speech? How might state and local governments constrain the exercise of that in such a way that would be acceptable to Mr. Obama? Or perhaps the right to due process? I just cannot imagine that such a broad statement would be acceptable if we were talking about any Constitutional right other than the Second. On the other hand, it's well known how Democrats in general feel about the Second Amendment, so I guess it's no surprise.
Alright, I'm sure I've said way more than I ought to have and pissed everyone off. My work is done here. I obviously need to cut myself off from the news for a while.
Comments
Hence the clothing thing also puzzled us down here. We now know that the clothes were supplied by the Republican Party for the Governor. The media have done a terrible job of repairing the damage to her reputation. Even Sen. Biden’s haircuts were not cheap! And working in fashion, I can tell you that the President-elect’s suits are pretty darned swish (and expensive).
About gay marriage, I think the way Californians voted was a backlash to judges legislating from the bench earlier this year. There is, as you point out, little comparison to the race question—at the time I pointed out the deficiencies in the judgement and how the judges left room to be shot down. Well, now it has happened and you are right about the Mormons being a pretty small group that would not have affected the way so many voted.
I am fairly strict in my constitutional interpretation so I agree with you on the Second Amendment issue.
As for where I was going with this in the first place (I almost forgot 'cause it's late and I'm not "all here" tonight), Hillary Clinton's pantsuits are just funny. I can't really explain it, but they are.
And the second amendment thing is one of the main reasons I could never be a "Democrat." Both parties have their "pet amendments," both to champion and to completely shit all over. I don't really support shitting all over any of them, especially not one that's the only thing keeping the people at least a fraction of "equal" with the cops.
You better watch your step, buddy--I love Alaska. It has nothing to do with Sarah Palin, of course. It is by far the most uniformly libertarian place I've ever lived, and moose roam the cities (OK, so we lived in a smallish city--I don't know if you see moose in downtown Anchorage). I love it.
I don't think Palin is as dumb as she was meant to seem, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion, and heaven knows you have plenty of evidence to back it up. I doubted very much that you cared about her clothes, but you have to admit, much ink has been spilled about it. I don't know if I think Hillary's pantsuits are funny per se. I think the word "pantsuit" is pretty funny, and I think Hillary Clinton wearing pretty much nothing but pantsuits was also mildly amusing. Maybe I'm just not a pantsuit kind of person. I don't like to be all matchy-matchy from head to toe. Makes me feel icky.
I really do think Sarah Palin is that dumb. Maybe dumber than she looks on TV. I mean, I don't think I've even heard more than a handful of coherently formed sentences from her mouth. I've heard even fewer coherent ideas conveyed in them. Half the time, I was in the same boat as everyone else wondering what the hell she was talking about.
But as for Alaska, I've been harsh enough on it for today. So I'll just say I'd love to go there. I really would. It has nothing to do with the politics. It just seems like it's probably the most legitimately "wild" place we've got left in this country.
It is wild. I think you'd like it.
I think I thought the same thing about Palin as you until this past week. She's been giving way too many interviews this past week, but it's like a totally different person from the earlier interviews. The sentences are not only complete, but they are linked together in comprehensible ways. Of course, I don't agree with some of what comes out, but at least it's something you could agree or disagree with. Also, if she did allow herself to be managed in such a way that she was supposed to appear stupider than she is, then that seriously says something bad about her character. Of course, McCain agreed to play a similar game, not dumbing himself down but making himself appear more far right than he is, which also says bad things about his character. It's just the more than comes out about how the campaign managers were thinking and running their campaign, the less I think anything their campaign came out with was genuine or honest. All campaigns do that to some extent, but this seems really rather excessive to me. Anyway, so I guess I'm basing my reassessment of her on both the interviews she has given since the election and on the fact that her managers and handlers have been shown to be such complete assholes.
But anyway. Enough about her.
Yes, exactly. In her last CNN interview (with Wolf Blitzer, I think--it was last week), she said something about Bill Ayers again, and Campbell Brown asked why she's still talking about this. And Jeffrey Toobin correctly pointed out: "Because we keep asking her about it."
I like Jeffrey Toobin.
Respectfully, you piss me off.
The guy shot while walking his dog down my block the other night was not shot by a hunter. Hopefully, what Obama meant, was that in places where guns are solely being used by people to kill and terroize each other, it might not be a bad idea to apply some new thinking to gun control and just because a small percentage of Americans enjoy shooting animals doesn't mean we all should have to live in the crossfire. It's like the abortion issue hijacking the government. Or Tobacco companies and the smokers. Why should the rest of us have to breathe second hand smoke with our dinner for years and years just because it had always been people's "right" to smoke in public places.
I work among mostly Mormon hunters in the rural west. I have no complaint with them for the most part and can understand why hunting and responsible gun ownership is part of their culture and gay marriage is something abhorant to them that needs to be banned. Especially since a letter was read aloud in their churches just before the election that told them to vote yes, a letter written by people who they believe speak directly to god. But most of them have never known a gay person. Anyone who realizes they are gay either gets the hell out of town or suppresses it.
And they don't live in the city I do where 75 people have been murdered by guns in the last nine months. I'm tired of hearing the pop pop pop of second amendment advocates while I lay in bed and wondering if my elderly mother is being pistol whipped again. This idea that women are out hunting to put food on their tables is completely ridiculous to the 90 percent of the population that the proliferation of guns affect adversly. Obama is not going to come to rural Idaho, Arizona, or Alaska and pry the gun out of a mother's hands if she is using it to keep rabbits in the pot for her family. But most of us wouldn't mind at all if some stricter legislation was considered so the damn things weren't lying around everywhere for kids to shoot their parents with.
I can understand, however, your point of view. My second cousin was shot at NIU earlier this year (and lived to tell the tale).
What I do know is that in Switzerland, there’s probably less gun control yet the population are more armed than your countrymen are. Yet the folks there seem to control their urges of shooting kids and others quite readily.
There needs to be something less akin to gun control and more akin to creating conditions where such violence is unnecessary. Education is one area, obviously; the socioeconomic situation in these violent cities is another. I am only saying this as an observer from afar, but I always look at these arguments with some cynicism because there are countries that seem to do OK despite leaving their citizens fairly free to bear arms.
As to the gay community, it’s a semantics thing there, right? The gays here seem to be pretty happy with their civil unions given the law gives them the rights of married couples, and they celebrate them as any straight couple. I understood that it was the same in states like California but people are arguing over the meaning of a word rather than focusing on their potential happiness.
I imagine this page is written by an American: ‘Switzerland also has rather strict gun control laws. In Switzerland a permit is required in order to purchase a weapon (The permit shows that you are at least 18 and don't have a criminal record). A permit is also required to carrry a weapon. Such a permit is mostly issued to people who work in security-type occupations. To obtain this permit, you have to demonstrate that you need to carry a weapon and that you know how to handle a gun safely and have knowledge of the law regarding firearms use (source). Soldiers in the Swiss Army are required to store their military weapons at home under lock and key and to undergo regular training. Strict gun laws in Switzerland minimize the dangers of gun ownership.’
Call me ignorant but does this mean that Americans don’t need a permit to buy guns? I wouldn’t call the Swiss laws that strict apart from those associated with the military and national service. But it surprises me that in a US context it is regarded as strict. Strange.
Do you mean the line about pissing me off or the next paragraph about the guy getting shot? Either way, another innocent fellow was gunned down walking his dog the other night. And she does piss me off.
A couple years ago another guy down the block took a gun and killed a few of his professors. I used to see the shooter walking his dog actually. The one time I talked to him he complained about having prostate problems. A few week later he takes five guns onto campus and kills a few middle aged women. I listen to hunters grouse about potentially losing their rights nearly every day and am tired of it.
As far as the original poster goes, I find her to be one of the more erudite, succinct and realistic voices in the blogosphere and consider it a treat to be oft aggravated by her matter of factly clear prose even as I marvel at it in disagreement. I'm not worried about her considering my post though since she doesn't seem flexible on this issue.
And you're observation on the gay situation is mostly right. If they'd just drop the word "marriage" and concentrate on their rights they'd be better off. Here's one of the better posts I've read on it in awhile.
I'm actually not totally inflexible on gun control. This may come as a surpise to you, but I've actually heard the same arguments, such as they are, that you've presented. However, my first response would be that America has a violent crime problem--with or without guns. Even if you discount all the gun crime, we still have some of the highest rates of violent crime in the world. Guns can facilitate crime in ways that other weapons cannot, but they are not the proximal or even indirect causes of crime or murder. Besides, already there are many constraints on the exercise of the right to bear arms (many, in fact, are federal law). And fat lot of good any of them seem to be doing. Primarily they create annoyances for those of us who are law-abiding and responsible gun owners and do very little to prevent the problems you're talking about. I don't think that all of the laws that we currently have violate the Second Amendment, but I don't think our propensity for violence is something we can legislate our way out of either. I think Jack Yan spoke to this issue already in his comment, too. (By the way, Jack, you do have to have a permit to have a gun. There is a federal waiting period of 5 days to buy a gun. There are background checks to see if you have a history of mental illness or felony convictions. There are laws regarding constraints on carrying weapons out of your house, including breaking them down for travel. Some places require proof that you've taken gun safety classes before you can buy a gun or buy a hunting license. You cannot give a gun as a gift, which in theory allows the ownership of a gun to always be traceable. And so forth. Some of these regulations, though, you can get around--and criminals do--by buying a gun either on the black market or from a private seller, such as through the classified ads or at a gun show.)
In some ways it seems to me that the Democrat answer is always more legislation and regulation, and I am against that in theory and in practice I don't think it always works very well, either. I'm not making assumptions about your political affiliation, but Obama's.
My point about what Obama said was just what I said: He wouldn't make such a broadly worded statement about any of our other rights, or at least I don't think he would or else we really ought not have elected him to the presidency. You could come up with perfectly legitimate arguments about why we should require voters to pass literacy tests, but we don't allow that because the constraint it puts on the right to vote we think is too high (and was racially motivated when they were first instituted). Most people don't even favor having to show picture ID to vote, let alone passing a literacy test. You can come up with a number of perfectly legitimate arguments for constraints on freedom of speech, too, especially what is known as "hate speech," but in general we preserve the principle that the harm that some speech does is not enough to warrant a general constraint on the individual right. I could go all through the Bill of Rights this way--sometimes there are legitimate arguments you could make in favor of constraining individual rights, and in many cases the general security of society would be the most outstanding. But in every case, we have to ask ourselves if the sacrifice of liberty is worth the amount of security gained. Democrats, especially urban ones, will always say that in the case of the Second Amendment (and usually no other) it is worth it. Personally, I don't think the tradeoff is usually worth it, and with this particular case, unless or until I see some kind of hard evidence that more gun control laws actually decrease the amount of violent crime cities experience, then it's not a trade I think is worth making.
Besides, I find your attitude to be similar to many that I've already heard. Ah, it's just this little minority who still does these things (and, by the way, of all the hunters I've known, none of them do it because they enjoy killing animals, although I understand this is a common misconception. Enjoying hunting and enjoying killing are not the same). Because it's a minority (and a mostly rural, white minority at that), then the right is somehow less important to protect? I don't find that to be a defensible position. On almost every other case, the liberal position is that the rights of the minority are worth protecting even against the opposition or at cost to the majority because if rights are only determined by the will of the majority, then civil rights aren't really worth much. To me, they mean a lot, no matter how tired you get of hearing us grouse about it.
It doesn't surprise me at all that you've heard the same arguments since people are getting gunned down all over the country every hour of every day. An 8 year old Arizona boy just shot his father in the face the other afternoon in fact. Four times (he had to reload each time) Nobody understands it. His father was reportedly teaching him to hunt and was by all accounts a hell of a guy. I'm sure this "violent crime" would have been just as bad if he just threw a tantrum and there wasn't a gun cabinet in the house.
Again with the anecdotes. The plural of anecdote is not data. That crime may not have happened. There are others that may not have happened. Why did an 8-year-old have that kind of access to a gun? We had guns in my house when I was 8, but I couldn't get to them without adult help, and I doubt my dad would have given me one when I was having a temper tantrum. This is a tragedy, no doubt, but it reminds me of the people who give their kids apparently free access to matches and them blame a cartoon when the kids burn down the house. Where is the parental responsibility and supervision here? And, again, the idea of a civil right guaranteed by the Constitution suggests that we don't go around constricting people's rights because some people are incredibly irresponsible with them. If we did, of course, cars would have to be the first things to go, followed promptly by alcohol. Cars and alcohol are used irresponsibly more often than guns are and cause more fatalities, some of which are just as tragic as the stories you keep citing. We don't ban them, and we have far more constraints on the purchase and ownership of guns than we do for alcohol (and probably even for cars) because we believe there are compelling reasons not to ban them, liberty among them (and in the case of cars, utlity). But if tragedy and death are your real concerns, then by all means start lobbying to ban them.
Guns scare people, particularly people who don't grow up around them, and that's the fear that usually drives gun control. It's the same fear that you're trying to use to sway me. I don't, however, think it's wise or reasonable to give our government and our civil liberties over to fear.
Again, there are some types of gun control I think are reasonable. Although I haven't thought long and hard about it, right now I don't think it would be unreasonable to require that gun owners keep guns locked up and out of the potential reach of minors or to use those child-safety locks on triggers, because neither significantly constrains the right to keep and bear arms. The problem with that, though, is enforcement. Usually we would only know someone was violating this law after the fact, after a tragedy like this one. So, should we go around just searching the homes of gun owners at random to make sure they're in compliance? I think this is an unreasonable breach of Constitutional rights, but there is no other way to enforce it.
So, listen, I don't want to be rude, but you can post stories of tragic murders and accidents here all night long, and that isn't going to change my mind, because they say absolutely nothing about the general principle of civil rights or the link between gun ownership or gun control and violent crime. I actually just looked up gun ownership by state and murder rates by state and surprise! In general, states with higher gun ownership (Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, et al) have the lowest murder rates and vice versa (this doesn't hold absolutely true for a couple of states, one of which is Louisiana). So, I'm not sure it's going to do Illinois any good to pass more gun control when they already have very low gun ownership and yet fairly high crime. If gun control isn't going to do any good--and, overall, it probably will not--then it is not worth constraining civil rights. It's unclear how much gun control (or how much more, rather) you're advocating, and I am not now or ever arguing that there should be none at all. I have, in fact, argued previously that the gun-show loophole to the Brady legislation should be closed so that all gun-permit applicants would have to go through the background check (because there are valid reasons to prevent felons, especially, from buying guns). There would still be the black market, of course, but it would at least make it more difficult, and some police forces have had good success when they are able to pick up people for having guns without a permit.
Anecdotally, we think of Australia and the UK as stricter than us on gun control (again I do not know the definition of strict) but their rates are 0·00293678 and 0·00102579 respectively—both higher and lower than New Zealand. The Swiss figure is 0·00534117.
Totally unscientifically based on these figures and without a standard definition of strict gun control, I would say there is no correlation.
Yes, I see your point. I think, though, that you can compare among American states, since some gun control laws are left to the state and, more rarely, local levels. Those states that require permits and have waiting periods for handgun purchases are arguably "stricter" than other states that don't. They also in almost every case have higher murder rates than states that don't (although murder isn't the only crime that guns figure into, of course, and not all murders even in America are done with guns, so it's an imperfect comparison). The case can be made that they have stricter gun laws because of the high crime rate, but still the gun laws don't necessarily seem to be helping. There is some evidence that the background checks (the Brady Bill) are helping, which stands to reason because people with previous convictions and/or a history of mental illness (there are a few other things they check for that can block you from buying a gun, too, but those are the big ones) are probably less likely to be responsible gun owners in the future.
Comparisons across countries are much more difficult because different cultures have different attitudes and propensities to crime. America, especially urban America, is prone to violent crime, probably for a variety of reasons. America's non-gun homicide rate (5.5/100,000) is still vastly higher than Australia's (1.57) or New Zealand's (1.17).