QotD: You'd Never Believe It

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Holy crap thats really weird and yet totally awesome! Hmmmm, new perspectives I had never even considered before. *thinks about stuff*
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Free beer!

;D

Man, it'd be cool to be a man hooker for rich bored ladies. How does one go about acquiring a job like that?
I was waiting for this post - when I saw the QotD I knew you wouldn't resist answering it, and also that I would enjoy reading it in addition!

While I haven't had quite the varied menagerie of different people you have shared shochu with, I do understand what you're talking about to some degree. Actually, I have a lot of interests that could be considered something that attracts most people to Japan (video games, music, general pop culture, telivision dramas and films.. I am very much into all of it) but I came here with no illusions about what it would be. I knew it was no holy mecca of all things good simply because I loved the pop culture. In fact, I expected to hate it - I know so many people who have been to Japan for a year or more and despised it. I didn't really think that I would be any different, but I loved learning the language and I had to do a year out here as part of my course.

Now of course, I am startled with the realisation that this is where I want to be. I don't want to go home, and I'm planning on coming back. I spend a lot of time in bars or out and about talking to whoever will talk to me, and while I never exactly become "friends" with these people, seeing them once and talking to them and drinking with them is great enough. I remember being on the receiving end of a lecture from my mother one night when salarymen bought me champagne, but she just couldn't understand that they were drunk and bored and wanted to talk about how their wives went to the same Japanese university as I do. It was refreshing reading your post because it makes me think that I haven't wasted the opportunity to experience "life" rather than a holiday out here. A strange kind of life I've made for myself here though it may be!
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An interesting and inspiring story. It has, I think, played on my (as travel obsessed as I am) desire to see real life in the places I travel, rather than the tourist facade, or even the normality that the average person sees. It, along with several other books and so forth, has made me wish to go deepr, to delve into the reality of the place.

Thankyou

Well you floozy, you! lol. Who woulda thunk it! I really enjoyed reading this. You sound like a person with enough sense to adapt to situations very quickly! That's a good thing. You got to *know* the people by hanging out. Very cool! And what a great insight on Japan, Thanks!

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Strangely enough, I do believe this story about you! Ha ha!

um. while still in highschool i drank thunderbird with a wino outside the flamingo lounge and peed in the parking lot in broad daylight. on a thursday i think.

a gay librarian once followed me home from the rainbow and offered to play backgammon with me. ???

one new years eve at the union club a stunning lady from atlanta asked me to talk dirty to her. the same night i talked to this david crosby lookalike while his sister rubbed my ass. ???

alcohol, loneliness, and public gathering places make for interesting cocktails. the hangovers can be a bit heart rendering, but it's an interesting way to travel. even if you're just staying home.

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This is certainly a perspective that not many people get on Japan, and one that I think needs to be heard.

I've been in Japan now for almost five years and I get to see a lot of people come and go, they all have their own preconceptions and most of them live in a little gaijin bubble. It's safer for them that way.

I used to asked ask them before they left, how their idea of Japan measured up withe the reality of being here. Often they were dissapointed that not a lot of people spoke English, that the night life wasn't as exciting as they had imagined and it was difficult to make friends.

I've given up asking them these days, but they usually find what they are looking for, just a little less neon, and a little less friendly.

how sad that they do not go home to a friend.

I once asked my wife to be more of a friend to me, and she responded how could she, she knew me once as a lover and now as a husband. I don't feel like I'm doing a particularly good job either, but I'm working on it.

Thanks, all, for the interesting comments. I shall attempt to respond to some of them:

Lokii: The host job is there for the asking if you're good-looking enough and a witty conversationalist (and either good at holding your liquor or good at faking drinking--the latter is probably better). Oh, and you should be able to speak Japanese. Otherwise, it's not a particularly difficult job to get, as far as I know, although it is nowhere near as lucrative as being a hostess. Perhaps you should try being a girl.

Itchy: Man, I don't know what to say. Touching stories. Disturbing and touching.

Yuba: Yes, it is a strange sort of life and not one I planned, but I loved it, and Japan never started to get on my nerves until I stopped doing these things. There were a lot of reasons I stopped (being pregnant, obviously, put a real damper on these activities), and Japan was never the same for me again. The "normal" life in Japan was...oh...soul-sucking. That may be hyperbolic, but my husband worked LONG hours and where we lived had NOTHING to do and it was all just getting chewed out by the neighborhood obachans because I messed up the recycling pile again or something. I think that's why I always liked Osaka so much--the seedy underbelly is not so much "under" there.

jrfiction: I think my husband and I have made a success of this because he never wanted a Japanese wife--he wouldn't have married at all if he hadn't met me (and I swept him off his feet, etc.)--and so he approached our relationship without a thought of this becoming a marriage. He thought of me more as a friend and occasional lover than as a potential spouse. So we had that background, and he has taken to a more "Western" model of marriage really well. He even does the dishes! However, as we've been talking about over on 43T, he does still have that "we should be able to communicate without talking" thing. I'm learning, and so is he (to talk more), but that's a hard one to get past.

I know exactly what you mean about the "gaijin bubble"--I noticed that right off, and I didn't want to become like that. What's the bloody point of living in a foreign country, or even traveling in one, if you're only going to see the Tourist Bureau-approved sights?

You may have noticed that I never found Japan lacking in nightlife or friendliness. Au contraire. You do have to know where to look, though. We lived for two years in a suburb of Nagoya called Ichinomiya, and there was hardly any nightlife at all there--this one yakitori place we used to frequent got pretty lively about 1 a.m., but it only had 8 seats or something, so "lively" was relative. When I think back to my daily routine in Ichinomiya, I don't miss Japan, but when I think about Aoi's (the yakitoriya) or my friendly neighborhood izakaya--oh, natsukashii. Oh, how I pine for that.

as you know, bukowski i ain't. i'd much rather go to bed early, wake up clear-headed and have a long walk upward through the trees.

it's intersting, don't you think, that tales of craziness or whatnot often revolve around drugs or alchohol or some sort of illicit behavior when the craziest thing may just be living a quotitidan life you don't want to live.

Inspired by your post I went and asked a classmate of mine, an attractive japanese girl from Tokyo, about the approximate ratio of male to female friends she had back in Japan. She said it was about 50/50.

I think I freaked her out though.

I should have asked her about Africans.
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I know I'm not a "normal" Japanese and very happy about it, although I don't go out in Roppongi (let's pretend I don't go there on weekdays to work, my office is in that area...).
Ever since when I was a student I never mixed in, it probably helped that I was a loner to make friends with my crew from europe for example, my behavior pattern was not really "Japanized" i guess. Strange for me to say I guess? :-P

Itchy: Well, that is more crazy, but...it's not a fun kind of crazy, is it? I think it's missing the fun and has the unfortunate element of quiet desperation added. Not a good kind of crazy at all.

Lokii: Yes, a lot of young people do have friends of both sexes. It changes once they get older, though--maybe it won't for the next generation, but that would surprise me a great deal. Those construction workers I mentioned still occasionally hung out with some female friends from high school, but none of them were involved romantically together, and they didn't all get together very often. Nearly always I was the only girl hanging out with them, although they would have certainly said those girls were their friends, too, and they were. But their girlfriends NEVER hung out with the group, and their girlfriends weren't...well, they weren't companions in the sense that I normally think of. Since they didn't have sex with them, either, I never could figure out why they were together. But anyway. I never even met most of their girlfriends, come to think of it.

Kimura: You're totally a gaijin hanger-on. Look at your English! It's way too good for you to be a normal Japanese. That doesn't mean we can't be friends, though. I just think that if a gaijin only ever meets Japanese people like you, then they don't get a very accurate picture of Japanese people and culture.

it has to be the fun kind of crazy? well...shoot. what's the craziest thing you've done since little gb was born, and how does it compare to the wildness of youth?
heh heh - sounds like my 5 months in Russia when i was 20 and a student - unfortunately, itchy dawg, most of the crazy things there involved alcohol also - not really a surprise - out drinking moonshine vodka from a jar with my 18yr old host brother and his friends outside around a bonfire in the middle of a St. Petersburg winter - wandering around town with afore mentioned host brother's friends, while they were on "rounds" in their full military uniforms and weapons - drunk, of course - sitting around doing vodka toasts with my host family's grandfather and other family men talking about Lenin, Stalin, Gorbachev and Pushkin while the women did the dishes - as a little Indian girl from Ohio, this was rather weird and wonderful thing - late-night post drinking now eating hanging out with my young Russian friends around the piano while they demanded that i play classical pieces while they guessed which ones they were (not something normal American teens do) i definitely saw a Russia that even few people on my program did - and i had a blast!

Itchy: Having a 2-year-old IS a fun kind of crazy, in and of itself. Our craziness usually does not involve alcohol anymore, as T. never was a big drinker, and I had to stop drinking for so long (being pregnant and all) that I lost a lot of my tolerance--also, of course, at least one parent needs to be sober enough to respond to any kind of child-related emergency at any time, which puts a damper on heavy drinking. But we did take a road trip to Montana and did some fun and interesting things back when he was only 3 months old. We also spontaneously decided to move to Alaska last year, which was all kinds of crazy but in a fun way. Um...we are trying to grow okra here in Idaho, which is a different kind of crazy. Yes, certainly, it's not at all the same as the wildness of youth, but ....well, you grow up at some point (or you don't, I guess, but we did). It's still fun, though, and we are not living a life that we don't want to live.

paikea: Sounds awesome. I've heard some crazy stories about Russia, too, but never been there. Someday.

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I absolutely enjoyed reading about your Japan.

Great post, Ginbaby!!!! I know what you're talking about, and thankfully, my husby's not a gaijin-hanger-on either (because I'm really not a fan.) Many of the things you described are observable in Hong Kong where I spent my teens, though westerners aren't normally so enamoured (addicted?) to Chinese culture as they are to Japanese, and therefore the expats I knew probably left with a lower degree of disillusionment.

I happened to write an article for the National Post (one of our Canadian national newspapers) last year about the week Kazu and I spent in Osaka's top Male Host Club - what a surreal experience that was! I certainly don't envy the hosts - what an empty and lonely way to live.

Oh, my gosh--I would so love to read that article!! How interesting!
i think i get where you're coming from--i want to travel, but i don't want to just see the touristy places. i want to see what life is really like in other places (Japan included, as it happens), and it kinda bums me out, because i think it's something easier said than done. this was absolutely fascinating to read. i'd love to see your Japan. :)

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