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I cant even describe how good that whole commentary was. Great points once again.

In every state I've lived in, official documents are available in both languages, and translators are available for free for Spanish-speakers

That's because English isn't an official language. If it was, municipalities and states wouldn't be forced to provide non-english language official documents. They also wouldn't have to hire non-enlish speaking clerks and workers, etc to fill many of the bi-lingual positions they have now.

From a money perspective, a single official language is quite desirable. From a helping people perspective, not so much.

There are a lot of problems with public schools.

Yes...there are. And one of the biggest ones, from outside the system, comes from the type of generalizations you're making here. They're almost as bad as the original one you quoted.

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This only delineates all the things I can't stand about those on the "Far Left". I despise them just as much as those on the Far Right.
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As a critic said of Well's later, lesser books: "He has sold his birthright for a pot of message."

John

I'm not sure how my opinions about public schools are the things causing the problems. My rage about teaching to the lowest common denominator primarily comes from my own experience and that of my friends, most of whom were completely bored except for in the rare times when we had really exceptional teachers who could challenge us while still teaching everyone else, too. Some of my friends went so far as to drop out of school and get their GEDs and go on to successful lives (actually, one of my uncles did that, too). It is a problem with public education when bright students who are good at school are bored to the point that they just want to drop out so that they get on with their lives.

As for the focus on self-esteem and crap like that, that comes mostly from my experience as a university teacher. I taught English comp for a while, and now I'm teaching some other subjects, and I can tell you that most high school graduates who go on to college are semi-literate. They're literate enough to read the newspaper, perhaps, and undoubtedly most blogs, but they are not literate enough to read and digest anything more complicated and analytical than that. Yes, this is a generalization, but I said "most." There are always exceptions, but there is a significant problem with a public education system that produces mostly semi-literate people, isn't there? And this is of people who go on to higher education; I cannot imagine what the literacy status of those who do not is. The mind boggles.

My comment about cell phones and text messaging, unfortunately, would never have occurred to me except that the local newspaper has been running articles about the problems local school administrators are facing in dealing with this. I'm sure there are schools that have adequately dealt with this problem, but it's a very real issue in at least eastern Idaho, and I doubt Idaho is the only place. Or perhaps you don't think text messaging is enough of a distraction to worry about?

So, yes, I did make generalizations, and I'm sure they don't apply to all schools equally. I went to a really small high school which was severely underfunded and understaffed--the kind of place you hear about where the math teacher was hired mostly because he's who they wanted to coach basketball--and I could have mentioned a further inequality in that there is no chance at all for someone from the school I went to to compete in terms of GPA on a national level because we had no AP classes at all. I've heard the same criticism of many inner-city schools, but I don't know. If public education is about--and I think for many Democrats, this is partly what it is about--equality of opportunity, then it is failing at that. Could that be fixed? I have no idea. Theoretically, yes, but in practice, I doubt it.

Finally, as to public education being a tool of social indoctrination rather than education, as I said, if you read the theories of the early advocates of public schooling, this is basically what they were saying. Public school was meant to be a method of turning out, not great thinkers and citizens, but good workers who would know their place in society and do the things the upper, educated classes wanted them to do. Whatever we think of it now, I don't think its underlying purpose has changed, although Pink Floyd notwithstanding, I understand that that is not the current opinion. Fortunately, I don't give a damn about current opinion, as I have plenty of opinions of my own.

Also, yes, you're right that we have no official language. Oddly, the Slate comment makes it seem as if English is our official language, but I'm not sure they intended it that way. The thing about it is that if the idea is "helping people" and being inclusive, and I think that is the idea, then we either have to offer the same services to everyone, no matter which of the world's languages they speak, or we're being discriminatory in a way that I believe violates U.S. law. Spanish-speaking immigrants get free translators at the immigration department; speakers of every other language do not. Idaho has a Spanish driver's license test, and the test is also available in a few other languages including Basque (?!?), but not in Japanese, so my husband had to take it in English. I suppose it's not a big deal for him to have to take it in English, and maybe he wouldn't have had to if we lived in Seattle or San Francisco, but the fact is that an accommodation is made for speakers of some languages but not for speakers of others. Now, all this translating costs a lot of money, and I know that Spanish speakers are our most numerous immigrants, but right now without Spanish being an official language, we're just kind of randomly discriminating against nonnative speakers who also do not speak Spanish. At least by making it an official language, we would be legitimizing that discrimination.

I read this speech a long time ago and when I was writing my reply to you, I was wracking my brain trying to remember the fella's name who wrote it. I've just remembered. He's written more about what he sees as the failures of the public educations sytem, a system he works within, but this is a nice summary.
Extremism isn't good on either side. The worst part is that this is probably one of the times this country needs cooperation and compromise the most, and yet this bitter partisanship goes on.
Heeee. I hadn't heard that one before. But, yes.
Damn damn damn, I'm late and I have to run but I (unwisely) popped over to your blog which, of course, means I have about 1000 things to say (unwisely). I'll summarize, better for everyone!

1) Dude, Jon Stewart was being ironic. Totally. That's kind of his thing. I know you know that, but I don't think there was a serious note in his comment about New York vs small town (he was probably essentially arguing the opposite).

2) I think if you wrote a piece about how small town people are smarter than big city people, you COULD get it published. It'd have to be framed in a certain way, but the essential argument that small town people are not all Hollywood rednecks with southern accents is one that would probably be quite appealing to many people. Like you, I feel that valuing diversity in a very practical daily-life way is more an individual thing and not a human thing naturally.

3) Don't fault Jon Stewart for the simple fact that there is more to laugh about in the McCain/Palin camp. Should he just make stuff up about Obama? Not saying there isn't anything to criticize about Obama (there is), but it's not necessarily conducive to HUMOUR generally (and Jon Stewart's humour particularly).

But a good post that I largely agree with. Don't get me started on the "English only" debate. Oy. No surprise, I disagree with you there hahahah!

re: ID offering tests in Basque. the southern part of the state is, I think, sheep country. my guess is that like in eastern Oregon many Basque sheepherders were employed to tend the sheep in remote places. whether it is still that way, I don't know. I do know those Basque sure do cook some fine BBQ.

Yes, there are a lot of Basque people here, apparently (or more around Boise, I think), and there are sometimes Basque cultural events. It's cool...just kind of random. I'm not really opposed to offering driver's license tests in Basque (I think Idaho also has them in Serbian, which I also thought was a little random) but in the end, if you don't offer every language in the world, which is impractical, you end up discriminating against someone. Since the idea of offering services in other languages is (I think..or one of the ideas, anyway) to not discriminate, I think it's ironic (the most overused word of the past two decades, surely).

I kind of think the things to make fun of in the McCain/Palin camp are too easy, though, aren't they? I mean...the pickings are rich over there. Good lord. Actually, though, a lot of what's going on now in the McCain/Palin rallies and stuff isn't even funny. Maybe I just take it too seriously, which would not be unheard of for me, but the things being said by some of their supporters about Obama just really aren't funny and don't open themselves up for humor.

I'm not sure what it is you disagree with me about the English-only debate, because I'm not sure what it is you think I think about it. I think the preservation of linguistic diversity is at all times a worthy goal; however, I also think that in the public/civic sphere, we need not an official language, but at least a lingua franca, which for the most part, we have. There are first-gen immigrants here who can't speak English well or even at all, but I think it has more to do with the fact that (in my experience) the populations that that is true of (not all of whom are Spanish-speaking) are usually working too long and too hard just to get by to have a lot of free time for English classes. I could be wrong, but that's how it seems to me. I don't have a problem with offering services and driver's license tests in other languages, but it starts running into problems when some groups get that service and some don't. If the idea is to help immigrants, then why don't they all deserve equal help? I know that Spanish speakers are the most numerous group of immigrants, but a rule that is based on ideas of fairness and equality that then specifically excludes some people is not really fair or equal. So, in other words, I think we either need to decide that civic life (not private life) is English only, or translators at immigration meetings should be free no matter what language you speak. All or nothing, baby.

But I like linguistic diversity, and I like to see more of it rather than less. Unfortunately, it seems like most immigrant's children and grandchildren lose their mother tongues, doesn't it? It's sad, but that's one thing I don't really get about the English-only guys...essentially this is a very linguistically homogenous country. We have hundreds of Native American languages, of course, but I don't believe there are any living Native Americans who don't speak English. We have even more languages represented from immigrants, but most of them don't keep their languages in use here for more than a couple of generations. It's hard to keep it up, as I know well from trying to raise a bilingual kid here. He can't see the point to speaking Japanese, even though he understands it well.

Anyway, if you can see why it deserves an exclamation point, then please drop by and tell me when you have the time.

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