I'm Confused: Health Care

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I know very little about the US system on this topic but I think the only way to have universal healthcare is to nationalize it. But no one will suggest that in the US, at least not among the major parties, because it would be too upsetting to entrenched right-wing thinking and corporate sources of campaign funding. I imagine the hospitals and providers there are private enterprises?
I ask this as we spend around half what Americans spend on healthcare, so you would expect our coverage to be rotten. But the fact is, it is universal here. Our health system is not what it should be, not since the 1980s when we started heading down the technocratic path, but we are still lucky that we have universal coverage.
When even Cuba manages universal healthcare, I can’t understand why the richest country on Earth can’t do it. Whenever I can’t understand something, my mind goes to two things: (a) the system (a.k.a. there is something rotten in Denmark); and (b) follow the money.
I'm currently in an ongoing debate about this with some Vox neighbors. I found this to be an interesting solution, but, again, maybe no one will go for it. It basically opens the entire thing up to the free market, with no government regulation.

I suppose it could then be compared to car insurance. You have some mandated level of minimum coverage, but the rest is up to you.

This is a loaded topic no matter which country's system we're talking about. Down here as you already know, we have universal health care which is funded through our taxation system; everyone pays a fixed % of their income towards maintaining this publicly funded system.

The perpetual problem is, how do you equalise health care provision to make it fair for someone who earns a gazillion dollars and someone who earns two brass razoos? You can't. But them's the universality of it.

So, we then have the private health system where it's user-pays. You want your own doctor or your own room in hospital? You pay. If people are being forced into this user-pays system because the government-subsidised system is groaning because of severe demand, then what else is left over from their take-home pay to buy daily essentials?

I personally think universal health care is the lesser of two evils.

I dont think your confused at all, actually you seem like one of the few who actually get it. Its not going to work and the sad reality is Obama nor Hillarys plans are going to guarantee people can afford healthcare.

Essentially what the plans are doing is offering affordable insurance, but the problem with that is that afford ability will be based on government decided economic standards, im sure you probably know that the proverty level standards in this country havent been changed in years and in no way match the current cost of living standards in the US today. So the numbers they use to decide what your going to pay for insurance is going to be based on standards. Income standards that are outdated and do not take into consideration the differing economic situations of the area you live in.

Not only that but like you said, its not going to do anything for the debt thats left over after insurance pays. Also many health care professionals require you pay up front what the insurance doesnt cover, so the so-called plans are not going to solve that problem either. They also do nothing about insurance companies refusing to play for claims and certain prescriptions.

Then when all is said and done, if something happens and you cant afford to pay for Hillarys mandated care, you get penalized financially. Her plan punishes you by costing you more money when the main reason you didnt get insurance was because you didnt have the money in the first place.

Hillarys health care plan stinks to high heaven with elitism and insurance company catering, obamas isnt much better but at least he isnt going to force people to pay for it or punish them by taking more needed money away from them.


I think we have a combination of (a) and (b) going on here. Obviously, our system has become entrenched, and it is always difficult to change systems that so many people rely on--and make a great deal of money from. I have been a supporter for a long, long time of nationalized health care because I just don't think health care should have a profit motive. It's not, of course, that doctors shouldn't make money, but health insurance companies making money off of denying people care, which they do, stinks.

Yes, so do I.
We have health insurance, and compared to most people, I think we have decent coverage. Not great, not even really good, but decent. And still, we are swimming in medical expense debt.
I cannot see how mandating that people get insurance. Most who don't have it, can't afford it.
I imagine that this coverage would be so basic that it would cover trauma. But how well? Will it keep them from having to file bankruptcy? Or will they be in limbo, making too much income to get subsidized help and not enough to pay for the basic expenses? Like their mortgage, heat and food?
I agree that something needs to be done; changes must be made. The big questions are, will the politicians make the right changes and will the public be willing to go along with the changes?
The idea of forcing people to be insured sickens me. Fuck insurance. Whats wrong with affordable services and decent wages?

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