A National Sickness

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The part about teen girls really hits the nail on the head, unfortunately i believe grown woman fall into that category to more often then not.
Oh, yes, so do I.
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Bravo. How refreshing to hear from someone who feels the same as I do about abortion. When the subject comes up in my mostly-liberal circle of friends, they're all pro-choice but I feel there's some part of the argument missing in that stance.
You hit the nail on the head.
It's about life in a more general sense, you know? And you can't sum it up with the my-body-my-choicers any better than you can with the extreme right pro-lifers. There's too much middle, ethical ground.

Yes, and I feel so often that it gets lost in all the high drama of the battling sides. I think, really, most women would come down somewhere in this middle ground. Certainly I would be shocked to hear a woman who has actually been through a wanted pregnancy say that she thought of the fetus as little more than a parasite until it was actually born.

I think sometimes, too, we think that the law and ethics are one and the same, which is why we seem to want to put into law every moral code that we hold. They're not the same thing, though, and the law is meant to be general and just while ethics are most sensitive to context and situation in ways that the law can't really be.

I love reading your posts! I'm in the middle ground, and I think most of the people I know are as well. Having grown up without a father, and watching my younger sister do the same thing, I can see that it makes a difference. I wrote an essay about it once, for a competition called "Dads make a Difference"and I remember that my first sentence was something to the effect of - "Dads do make a difference - especially when they aren't there."

My mom tried hard in a lot of areas, but one thing that always really bothered me was her immovability on the issue of smoking - my sister had ear infections and such a lot when she was younger, and the doctor would tell her, you need to smoke outside. And of course my mom would agree, but if I reminded her once we were home, her response was invariably, "It's my house, I'll smoke wherever I want." Not to mention the times she would borrow money from me to buy cigs or the times all my friends complained that I smelled like smoke at school. It was like it didn't matter to her that it affected my sister and I, simply because it was her habit.

Ack...I'm so sorry to hear about that. Smoking around kids does so much more damage than smokers seem to realize.

The absent father has become a kind of cultural trope, it seems. So many of us had them. My father loved me but couldn't take care of anyone, including himself, due to ...emotional problems, I guess you'd say. Fortunately for me, my mom married a great guy who lived with us from the time I was 8 or so, so even though it was hard adjusting to a stepdad, I had a stable, reliable, caring father figure. It made a big difference, both for how I could see he treated my mom (which I understood was how relationships were supposed to be) and for how he treated me--like a person whose primary importance and relevance did not relate in any way to my physical attributes, positive or negative. I hate to get into the simplistic "it's all the media's fault!" thing, but really it's hard to find a lot of women in popular culture of any kind whose appearance isn't really the issue. Men get judged on appearances, too, but a lot of times we seem to be telling girls that that's the most important attribute of a girl. Having a father who loves you without any reference to what you look like or any of that can be a good example of what it feels like to be a person rather than a mannequin. I am sure some mothers who do not have the luxury of having another parent in the house can also manage that, but I don't know that it's ever quite the same.

Yeah, I was sick a week after arriving in Seoul - couldn't talk to teach my classes, could barely breathe, etc. Went to the clinic and found that it was because I have chronic allergies, apparently. They just never really manifested themselves until now 'cause after I left my mom's house I was never really around smoke, but the air quality here is really bad, even compared to Atlanta. Now being around smoke can make me physically sick.

Nah, my mom had a series of boyfriends when I was growing up, so I have a difficult time trusting people to stick around. The few times I did become close to them, they left, I felt abandoned and angry and promised it wouldn't happen again. It has, of course, and so I've just come to accept that people will do what they want/think is best for them without any reference to others. Sounds cynical, but 15 years of observation hasn't proved me wrong. Though my bf, an only child from a stable marriage, doesn't understand. Luckily I had my grandfather, but he was always working, so it wasn't the same. -sigh- I have issues. But at least I'm aware of them.

When my mother died earlier this year, my sister and I discovered how much she was the glue that held our family together. It was also disconcerting to realize how much of a facade she put up for my father; it was, after all, Mom who raised us and made all the decisions for us. Daddy was a strict disciplinarian (my sister and I both have memories of being asked which we prefered him to use for our punishment: a slipper or a belt?); Mom wasn't exactly a calm wind, either, but she was like bamboo: fimly rooted but able to sway in the stormiest weather.

But as much as I'm admittedly disappointed in our relationship with our father, I will say that I'm glad he was present in our lives. Mind you, it was Mom who bolstered my self-esteem, and it was Mom who encouraged my sister and me to be the best we could be. But from both my parents, I saw a real, loving relationship (because as absent a father as he may have been, he really did love my mother) that became my model for a happy marriage. (Mom, of course, was the one who taught me to deal with aspects of my marriage that are not-so-happy, too.)

I will maintain that the Sexual Revolution and NOW may have made strides for women in the workplace but was also among the worst things that could have happened to motherhood. My little boy goes to day care each day, not by choice, but because we couldn't survive on my husband's salary. (He makes $17.50 an hour. I make $52K a year. You do the math.) Even if we were a one-car family, with our mortgage and other debt, we still wouldn't be able to make it on a single paycheck - even if it were mine. I don't think day care itself is terrible; it's the guilt we feel about leaving him in the care of others that ultimately leads us to spoiling him with extra Cheerios, a new (to him) puzzle, or three extra stories at bedtime.

I don't think all day cares are horrible. I think some of them are, and I think some of them are probably pretty good (I went to a Montessori preschool from the time I was 3 and apparently suffered no ill effects--or did I? Mwahaha). Unfortunately, a lot of people can't afford the decent ones, and so in many of them, there are way too many kids per care provider and little attention gets paid to individual kids. Kids suffer there, even when they seem "fine."

I know what you're saying about it being tough to survive on one salary. My husband makes between $11.25 and $14.00 an hour and has to commute two hours a day so that we can live somewhere where we can afford the house payment. That's why I work from home. Granted, I don't make nearly as much money working online part-time as I would if I worked outside of the house, but working outside of the house would entail a whole bunch of other costs, including almost certainly a need for another car and the not-insubstantial cost of daycare. Plus, for me to work outside of the house, we'd probably have to live nearer a major university, which would likely make housing more expensive. For us, the priority was having a parent at home with our son, so we made a lot of other decisions that would not have been our first choice--not even close--in another circumstance. We tried other ways of working it out, but this would seem to be the best we could do given our priorities and jobs.

I know I've been rather snide about constantly comparing our situation here with Europe all the time, but I really admire some of the strides Euro-feminists have made in tying feminist issues with family issues and winning a lot of support for women both in careers and motherhood. In France, or so I am led to believe, stay-at-home moms get a kind of nanny for a few hours a week, so that they can have some time to themselves. What a paradise! The focus of NOW and other groups now is to help working mothers, which is fine, but why can't we have some proposals that might help women who want to stay home with their kids do so. One thing that a lot of feminists bring up to urge women to keep working instead of staying home is that you don't accrue Social Security during your off years and, given the divorce rate, you can't count on your husband's. Fair enough, but why can't we instead rearrange Social Security to provide for women (or men) who stay home with their kids instead of saying that their only alternative is to work? I know there are a lot of moms who don't want to quit working even if they could (and many women who don't even want to become moms), but it often seems to me that most feminists have chosen those two groups over women who do want kids and want to stay home. Raising kids, though, shouldn't be a feminist issue--it should be a societal one.

What are you going to do about your allergies there? It seems like it's going to be hard to manage there, with all the smoke and pollution. I hope...I was going to say I hope you feel better, but I know a lot of people with severe allergies, so I hope at least you can either manage with medication somehow or...something. Jeez. I'm sorry to hear that.

The thing that's always struck me about people doing what they think is best for them is how often people are wrong about what's actually best for them. I don't know how many marriages I've seen break up because one or both spouses is "unhappy" and then they find out that after maybe an initial period of glee at the newfound freedom, they're not any happier than they were before and sometimes they're really just miserable. I'm not saying that all marriages end like that. Some people really better off, and some marriages break up for more urgent reasons (my dad was becoming violent. He never hit us, just walls and things, but it was scary and becoming more so. I think my mom really did the right thing. Besides, my stepdad was then a good dad.)

That's one reason why I think we need to return to some kind of duty- or virtue-based ethics, even though I know we probably won't. As Kant said, doing your duty makes you worthy of happiness, though you might not always get happiness, but at least you will always have the contentment of knowing you've lived a good life. And with that run-on sentence, I end my lecture.

I manage. I have a humidifier and some meds, and it's not too bad. I just have my kids parents think I have a perpetual cold. But most of the time it's okay.

And when I said people do what they think is best, I really meant, they do what they want with very little regard for how it will affect other people, especially the children of their girlfriend. so after a while I just gave up on trying to get to know them - my mom used to jokingly call me the ''ice princess'' as if she just had no idea why i could be that way.

I don't know that returning to a sense-of-duty morality would really help much - i find it hard to think that if people would not care about these things when they aren't forced to, why should they care about the duty of doing it?


I am a supporter of Pro-choice and I believe by giving women the right to terminate an unwanted, unplanned, or physically hazardous pregnancy, we allow them the same rights as all other people in all other medical and social conditions. Forcing them to carry to full term jeopardizes their ability to have a healthy and fulfilling life.
I can see both sides. Woman's health is very important and it should be very carefully dealt with because it is about one's life. At the same time, if you can avoid having abortion, this should be also considered because it is also about a life. Is there any way to accommodate both arguments? I will certainly think about choosing some type of middle ground.
Thats a surface argument that doesnt take into account the depths of the abortion issue.


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